13 Agustus 2025 https://anchor.fm/s/5de80a00/podcast/play/121263340/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-5-10%2Fdcd155f9-f493-07d3-e3a4-d87f0de23069.mp3Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 57:25 — 45.1MB) | EmbedShare thisFacebookXRedditEmail
