13 Agustus 2025 https://anchor.fm/s/5de80a00/podcast/play/106199697/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-6-30%2F16dfc6f6-b9a3-f2cd-b0f7-f1bca3f4bd64.mp3Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 28:00 — 25.6MB) | EmbedShare thisFacebookXRedditEmail
